The Hippocratic Oath

As I read all the new comments each day I reflect on the vast changes that have taken place over the five years since mesh was implanted in my body. Yes for me it was five ago on March the 10th 2010 and it was a date I will never forget and I had planned on writing a post that day of this year, but wound up listening to other women instead. One had been waiting for almost three years to get her disability so that she could seek full mesh removal at UCLA. She had already been for her consult and as I write now, she is out there, going through the tests and hopes that she will do better after it has all been removed. I hope so too and pray that the past removals have not done so much damage that it will be hard for her to move forward and have some quality of life.

I read so many of your comments where you express what has happened to you when you go back to the implanting doctor and tell what is happing to your body. Many of you are devastated that the doctor you have loved for as many as twenty years although at first was sympathetic and shocked by what he/she found during the examination, quickly changed after talking to their colleagues and have been cold, rude or dismissive, and often all of these things when you go back. Doctors need to know that they cannot imagine what this does to a woman psychologically. Not only is she afraid, in pain and very upset but then when you do this she becomes so upset she does not know how to handle it and many wind up so ill and on antidepressants when they are not needed. What women need from their doctors is compassion and a willingness to recognize something is wrong regardless of their abilities to fix the problem.

I have often thought about the Hippocratic Oath and wondered do doctors actually take it in this day and age, because many doctors are so cold and callous to their patients. However I do want to say that not all doctors dismiss women and many who used to put it in women have opted out of doing it any more when they see what has happened to their patients. However some prefer to cover up and make out like they never used it in their practice at all. Yes it happens and it devastates those women who are forever living in hell because of the implant their doctor put into their bodies. My advice to any doctor who stops using it, don’t cover it up and don’t lie because women always tell others and it often gets back to me. Best to admit it the truth and offer women the help they desperately need but DON”T try to remove it if you don’t have the skills and NEVER practice removal on women because you can cause them permanent nerve injury and sometimes death.

This morning I decided to look up the Hippocratic Oath and found a great article I want to share with you and I will give you some of the highlights and the link to read it all. Then you can decide what you think about doctors in this century. There are comments left for you to read, written by doctors. The following are small excerpts to that you understand what the Oath is and how it came about.

hippo2The Hippocratic Oath Today
By Peter Tyson
Posted 03.27.01

The Hippocratic Oath is one of the oldest binding documents in history. Here you’ll find classical and modern versions of the oath as well as a brief article that offers a sense of the controversial nature of the oath today. Follow links at the bottom of the page to post your own comment or read those of others

Food for thought.

The oath: Meaningless Relic or Invaluable Moral Guide?

The Hippocratic Oath is one of the oldest binding documents in history. Written in antiquity, its principles are held sacred by doctors to this day: treat the sick to the best of one’s ability, preserve patient privacy, teach the secrets of medicine to the next generation, and so on. “The Oath of Hippocrates,” holds the American Medical Association’s Code of Medical Ethics (1996 edition), “has remained in Western civilization as an expression of ideal conduct for the physician.” Today, most graduating medical-school students swear to some form of the oath, usually a modernized version. Indeed, oath-taking in recent decades has risen to near uniformity, with just 24 percent of U.S. medical schools administering the oath in 1928 to nearly 100 percent today.

And more

Other physicians are taking broader aim. Some claim that the principles enshrined in the oath never constituted a shared core of moral values, that the oath’s pagan origins and moral cast make it antithetical to beliefs held by Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Others note that the classical Oath makes no mention of such contemporary issues as the ethics of experimentation, team care, or a doctor’s societal or legal responsibilities. (Most modern oaths, in fact, are penalty-free, with no threat to potential transgressors of loss of practice or even of face.)

With all this in mind, some doctors see oath-taking as little more than a pro-forma ritual with little value beyond that of upholding tradition. “The original oath is redolent of a convenant, a solemn and binding treaty,” writes Dr. David Graham in JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association (12/13/00). “By contrast, many modern oaths have a bland, generalized air of ‘best wishes’ about them, being near-meaningless formalities devoid of any influence on how medicine is truly practiced.” Some physicians claim what they call the “Hypocritic Oath” should be radically modified or abandoned altogether.

Hippocratic Oath: Classical Version

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art—if they desire to learn it—without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

—Translation from the Greek by Ludwig Edelstein. From The Hippocratic Oath: Text, Translation, and Interpretation, by
Ludwig Edelstein. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1943.

And here is the modern responses and it will lead you to doctor’s comments. Then you can determine for yourself how you feel based on the doctors you have been to because of YOUR complications from medical mesh.

Hippocratic Oath: Modern Version

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s knife or the chemist’s drug.

I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient’s recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

—Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.

This will take you to the link

Although my five year hell has never stopped I want women to know that I have never turned my back on the truth. This blog I know has saved thousands of women eternal hell caused by medical mesh and my five years has never been wasted. Women deserve the truth.

Exposing lies and cover-ups has been hard and if you are new to this blog, then please take the time to learn what is going on and don’t support those who continue to use us to benefit their own lives while they trample on our broken bodies. Read more here


  1. beth

    Linda, Thank you again… You will never know how much you and your Mesh Angel Network has helped me.. I just wish that I had found you sooner. Im thankful that i will be having surgery with dr raz, i wish it was sooner. I am passing stones and shards of mesh. it is very painful.

    I read hystersisters, i post on there some, i tell them to read mesh angel network. women are still getting mesh. everyday… i don’t understand. It sickens me to see these women get mesh. I tell them how bad it is, I’m surprised they haven’t fired me!!

    Ladies, please do not get mesh..

    thank you again.

    1. lavalinda

      Beth, doctors are often very convincing UNTIL a woman begins to have problems. Then they blame everything else as you know. Are you taking marshmallow root? Take 6 a day, 2 three times a day to help with the stones.

  2. beth

    No I’m not. I have a list that I got from one of your posts:) My mom thinks I need to buy from the vitamin store. They convinced her store brand wasn’t the real deal.

    1. lavalinda

      Beth they of course will say that as they stand to make money. Shop on line through Swanson Vitamins They have excellent products.

  3. Vicki

    I had a mesh implant September of 2006. I did not want mesh!!! My doctor knew that but would not do it any other way. The ONLY reason I went ahead was my insurance was going to run out at the end of the month. When I got back from surgery and the first time the nurses took me to the rest room, urine just ran out all over the floor. They both said they had NEVER seen anything like that before. They told me alert my Dr. and I did. All I got from the man was you have good support. He gave me a few free appointments and that was all I ever heard, so after the fourth I just stopped going. I urinate EVERY time I stand up I have pain during sex and so does my husband, I was using mini pads and now I am in diapers. I have VERY strange and extremely painful pains/cramps in my legs, abdomen, and vaginal areas. It is starting to hurt when I sit down and I don’t have a lot of hope because we still don’t have insurance! I am 61 years old and I feel like it’s just over.

    1. lavalinda

      Vicki, you can still have it removed by Dr. Raz at UCLA and be fixed by him without more mesh. are your on Medicaid?

      1. Vicki

        No, we don’t qualify. To rich for Medicaid and to poor for insurance! I also just lost my job after 7 years. It will be sometime before I can even think about doing anything about this mess. I do have a few leads on jobs!

        1. lavalinda

          I understand. I waited 2 years 7 months to get mine out by Dr. Raz of UCLA.

          1. lavalinda

            Vicki I had to wait until I got Medicare but during that time I learned from women all over this country. I then got a supplement through AARP that would allow me to go anywhere and to any doctor. It is United Healthcare and a PPO is the way to go.

          2. Vicki

            Only 4 more years, I will see if my husband will sign up next time for insurance. We both could use it! I will keep all of this for future reference! Thanks so much, Vicki

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